We did not veil from you except through you, and you did not veil from us except with your appearance, except that you do not know because we ask you by your name just as we request the king by his name and attribute, and if he is with us, he does not appear with that name or that attribute, but rather a self-appearance, then he speaks to us and we speak to him and he witnesses us and we witness him and he knows us and we do not know him, and this is stronger. Evidence that His attributes are negative and not probative, since if they were probative they would not have revealed Him if He appeared by Himself. We do not know that He is except by defining Him. In knowledge, we are imitating Him. And if His attributes were probative, they would have been the same as His essence, and we would have known Him by the same thing as we see Him. This was not the case, so it indicates the opposite of what He believes . p>